After years of training to be a clinical herbalist or nutritionist, you might find yourself on the other side wondering if this is something you want to or can realistically do right now. Many people don't realize what goes into running a solo practice when they sign up for a training program. Once you learn more about what's involved, you may make a different choice than you originally expected, and that's okay.
In this episode, we cover:
Why so many trained herbalists and nutritionists hit a wall after graduation
Why choosing not to run a full-time clinical practice doesn't make you a failure or mean your training was wasted.
The factors that allow some practitioners to build a solo practice and why they're not equally available to everyone.
Other ways to stay connected to this work: volunteering, community education, occasional referral-based visits, or simply setting it aside for now.
Why your clinical education still counts, still grows you, and still matters regardless of what you decide to do with it.
Timestamps:
0:00 - Introduction
0:09 - The situation nobody warns you about before you start training
1:07 - The gap between finishing school and running a practice
2:52 - It's okay if full-time solo practice isn't the path right now
4:47 - Other ways to use your clinical education
6:05 - Why the practitioners who "made it" aren't always the whole picture
7:49 - Seeing your options clearly
Thanks for listening.
I'd love to hear from you. Leave me a voicemail with feedback or submit a question (click the pink "Send Camille a Message" button on the side of the page) 💚
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Hi there. Welcome to In the Clinic with Camille. My name is Camille Freeman.
00:00:03.937 --> 00:00:06.877
I'm an herbalist and nutritionist, and in this podcast, I share tips,
00:00:06.957 --> 00:00:09.577
tidbits, and resources that might be helpful for other practitioners.
00:00:09.577 --> 00:00:14.037
I wanted to talk to you today about a situation that I think happens more often
00:00:14.037 --> 00:00:20.077
than we know, which is that folks go through the extensive training to become
00:00:20.077 --> 00:00:22.277
clinical herbalists or nutritionists.
00:00:22.277 --> 00:00:27.897
They come out the other end of the program and start dipping their toe into
00:00:27.897 --> 00:00:32.057
becoming a practitioner, supporting themselves after the training,
00:00:32.217 --> 00:00:34.717
and realize, I don't know if this is for me.
00:00:34.717 --> 00:00:40.617
I'm not sure if this is something that I want to do or something that is available to me to do right now.
00:00:41.137 --> 00:00:46.457
And I think the reason that this is so common is because we often think abstractly
00:00:46.457 --> 00:00:51.237
before we sign up for a program, oh, it would be so amazing to be a practitioner.
00:00:51.237 --> 00:00:53.557
I would love to be a nutritionist. I would love to be an herbalist.
00:00:53.717 --> 00:00:57.697
So you go to school and then you're like, OK, great, then I can be a practitioner.
00:00:58.017 --> 00:01:01.237
And it is true, but there's also a big gap there between I went to school,
00:01:01.337 --> 00:01:07.237
I did the training, and then actually making a living, sustaining yourself, doing the thing.
00:01:07.817 --> 00:01:10.817
There's a lot more in that little gap than a lot of people know.
00:01:11.057 --> 00:01:13.717
We aren't really told this necessarily before we go to school.
00:01:13.897 --> 00:01:16.877
It just feels like the kind of thing that happens. The same as somebody goes
00:01:16.877 --> 00:01:19.877
to school to become a nurse practitioner, and then they are a nurse practitioner,
00:01:19.877 --> 00:01:24.337
or whatever it is, a massage therapist, and then they make their way as a massage therapist.
00:01:24.737 --> 00:01:29.497
However, if you want to go into solo clinical practice, there's a lot to it.
00:01:29.497 --> 00:01:35.017
You need to have the time and the interest, the willingness to do a lot of the
00:01:35.017 --> 00:01:38.877
marketing, the business associated tasks. And it's not for everybody.
00:01:39.317 --> 00:01:44.737
Not everybody needs to or wants to do those things. And it could be an unfortunate situation.
00:01:45.230 --> 00:01:49.690
Discovery at the end of what is sometimes a years-long training process to realize
00:01:49.690 --> 00:01:53.910
that while you love the work of supporting people and doing the clinical work
00:01:53.910 --> 00:01:56.590
or other aspects of becoming an herbalist or a nutritionist,
00:01:56.770 --> 00:02:02.070
you don't love and don't feel that you want to do everything else that goes along with it.
00:02:02.490 --> 00:02:06.910
This is something that I see a fair amount in folks who come through my Monday
00:02:06.910 --> 00:02:11.670
Mentoring Program or who I talk to out and about in the wild, whatever it is.
00:02:11.990 --> 00:02:15.490
I talk to people and they're like, yeah, I don't, you know, I love,
00:02:15.490 --> 00:02:19.530
I love doing this work, but I also, right at this moment in my life,
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I don't think I want to be running a practice. I don't want to be doing the
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business components of this.
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I don't know if I have the time or the interest in doing it.
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So I wanted to just address that here. We'll, you know, in another time we can
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talk more about the logistics and what it looks like money-wise and all that
00:02:36.670 --> 00:02:38.210
kind of stuff. For right now, let's just.
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Speak to folks who are in that situation, where you're like,
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wow, okay, I've done all this, and then I'm not sure it's for me.
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And something that I want to say to people is that I think there is a lot of
00:02:52.096 --> 00:02:58.516
beauty and a lot of need for people who are out here doing this work as a profession,
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sustaining themselves.
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You know, making, making things work, figuring it out.
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There are folks who are cut out for this. There are folks who,
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for various reasons, some of them which are in their control and some of which
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are not, are able to do this work and can sustain themselves in this way.
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And it's also completely okay,
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and there's plenty of room in this field for folks who have the training and
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aren't interested in or able to do the full work that's involved in running a,
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you know, self-sustaining clinical practice.
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I feel that that's something people don't get told.
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You don't, they don't hear that. It feels like, oh, I'm kind of a failure because
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I went to school and I wanted to do this, but I can't make it work right now
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or I'm not going to make it work right now.
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I'm not going to do this. Put in this time or the money or the figuring out
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how to do all the bits and pieces that go on behind the scenes.
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I think most people who go through school and training, if they were in a situation
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where the next day they could show up at an office and have five clients booked
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for them and see the clients and then go home.
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And the following day, five clients booked for them, see the clients go home.
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I think most people would be into that, at least part-time or some iteration of that.
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But that is not the way that the world works for most of us in this field.
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And if you are in this situation where, wow, you've done the training,
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you know how to be a clinical herbalist or a clinical nutritionist,
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you think that you are very good at this work, you have a lot to offer the field,
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I just wanted to tell you that.
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You can still be a clinical herbalist or a clinical nutritionist,
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even if you are not doing this work with the intention of supporting yourself doing it.
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There are ways to stay involved in doing this work beyond this.
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So maybe you can volunteer.
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Maybe there's ways that you can set
00:04:52.307 --> 00:04:55.227
this work aside for right now with the option to come back to it later.
00:04:55.227 --> 00:04:59.887
Maybe you are moving into more of a community role where you're doing education,
00:05:00.207 --> 00:05:03.547
you're doing occasional visits if somebody's referred to you,
00:05:03.647 --> 00:05:07.507
but it's not really your primary source of income or even a major source of income for you.
00:05:07.887 --> 00:05:13.067
All of those things, I think, are amazing. We don't all have to do this work in the same way.
00:05:13.167 --> 00:05:16.587
And there's not one way of doing it that's better than the other.
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So I guess I just wanted to put this message out there for people
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who might be feeling like this where you look around and it seems like
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you see lots of people who are successfully doing this work
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as a big part of their finances and their income earning and and whatever else
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and you're feeling like oh wow I must not have done something right or what
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have you and my point here is just like no there's many many many ways that
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you can use your clinical education or choose not to use it for right now.
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Who knows when it might come in handy later on or in other ways that it may
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manifest as ways you can show up for your community and the people that you want to work with.
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So I encourage you to just notice if you have any assumptions,
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any stories that you're telling yourself in your head about what this should
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or should not look like and your.
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Need to fully be supporting yourself doing this.
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Sometimes you'll look around and you'll see the people who are supporting themselves
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have a partner who's paying most of the bills.
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They had a long runway to build this up that a lot of people don't have.
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Sometimes people worked two or three jobs and did that until their clinical
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practice could support them long enough. We don't all have that luxury.
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Sometimes we're having our own health situation. Sometimes we're caregiving, whatever else.
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So there's lots of different reasons that some folks can manage to
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make this work in other folks it's just not realistic and there's
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plenty of people who go back to school do
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this training and then they're like you know what it's not
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for me and that it's still expansive it still grows
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you as a human to have done the training it's still part of you whether you're
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using it right now or not and I think that understanding the way that food and
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herbs and health collide together the way that they weave together and how that
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shows up in yourself and other people. I think that's valuable in and of itself.
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So anyway, just sharing some thoughts on how you might approach it if you find
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yourself in this situation.
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Are there ways that you can power through, that you can get support to make this work? Of course.
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I'm not saying we just say it's hard and give up, but I am saying it's a perfectly
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fine choice for you to take a look with new information and say,
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hey, I'm now becoming more clear on what's involved in this work.
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If I want to do it the way that I had sort of thought I wanted to do it.
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And right now, that's not a choice for me.
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It's okay to make that decision, too. And sometimes we need to re-evaluate,
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and you never know where life's going to take you later.
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So even if it's not the right choice for you right now, maybe it will be later on.
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Okay, so there you go. My point of this podcast is not to be defeatist and to say, give up.
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Hopefully that's not what you heard. But it is to say there's lots of ways to
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show up and do this work and be a practitioner where your training and your
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education and your experience counts.
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It's still important. It's still part of how we heal at a community level,
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one by one, in groups, and so forth. And I'm glad that you did your training.
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I'm glad you're here. whether you choose to do all the work that goes into the
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very, sometimes very slow process of building a sustaining clinical practice,
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or whether you decide right now,
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that's not for me, and I'm going to look at other ways to use this education
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that I have, or set it aside for right now and come back to it later.
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These are all valid choices, and you are still, you're still a clinician,
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you're still a practitioner, you still have your training, no matter what you decide to do.
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Okay, hope that was helpful. Have an amazing day. Thank you so much for the
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work that you do, and I will talk to you really soon.
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Hi there. Welcome to In the Clinic with Camille. My name is Camille Freeman.
00:00:03.937 --> 00:00:06.877
I'm an herbalist and nutritionist, and in this podcast, I share tips,
00:00:06.957 --> 00:00:09.577
tidbits, and resources that might be helpful for other practitioners.
00:00:09.577 --> 00:00:14.037
I wanted to talk to you today about a situation that I think happens more often
00:00:14.037 --> 00:00:20.077
than we know, which is that folks go through the extensive training to become
00:00:20.077 --> 00:00:22.277
clinical herbalists or nutritionists.
00:00:22.277 --> 00:00:27.897
They come out the other end of the program and start dipping their toe into
00:00:27.897 --> 00:00:32.057
becoming a practitioner, supporting themselves after the training,
00:00:32.217 --> 00:00:34.717
and realize, I don't know if this is for me.
00:00:34.717 --> 00:00:40.617
I'm not sure if this is something that I want to do or something that is available to me to do right now.
00:00:41.137 --> 00:00:46.457
And I think the reason that this is so common is because we often think abstractly
00:00:46.457 --> 00:00:51.237
before we sign up for a program, oh, it would be so amazing to be a practitioner.
00:00:51.237 --> 00:00:53.557
I would love to be a nutritionist. I would love to be an herbalist.
00:00:53.717 --> 00:00:57.697
So you go to school and then you're like, OK, great, then I can be a practitioner.
00:00:58.017 --> 00:01:01.237
And it is true, but there's also a big gap there between I went to school,
00:01:01.337 --> 00:01:07.237
I did the training, and then actually making a living, sustaining yourself, doing the thing.
00:01:07.817 --> 00:01:10.817
There's a lot more in that little gap than a lot of people know.
00:01:11.057 --> 00:01:13.717
We aren't really told this necessarily before we go to school.
00:01:13.897 --> 00:01:16.877
It just feels like the kind of thing that happens. The same as somebody goes
00:01:16.877 --> 00:01:19.877
to school to become a nurse practitioner, and then they are a nurse practitioner,
00:01:19.877 --> 00:01:24.337
or whatever it is, a massage therapist, and then they make their way as a massage therapist.
00:01:24.737 --> 00:01:29.497
However, if you want to go into solo clinical practice, there's a lot to it.
00:01:29.497 --> 00:01:35.017
You need to have the time and the interest, the willingness to do a lot of the
00:01:35.017 --> 00:01:38.877
marketing, the business associated tasks. And it's not for everybody.
00:01:39.317 --> 00:01:44.737
Not everybody needs to or wants to do those things. And it could be an unfortunate situation.
00:01:45.230 --> 00:01:49.690
Discovery at the end of what is sometimes a years-long training process to realize
00:01:49.690 --> 00:01:53.910
that while you love the work of supporting people and doing the clinical work
00:01:53.910 --> 00:01:56.590
or other aspects of becoming an herbalist or a nutritionist,
00:01:56.770 --> 00:02:02.070
you don't love and don't feel that you want to do everything else that goes along with it.
00:02:02.490 --> 00:02:06.910
This is something that I see a fair amount in folks who come through my Monday
00:02:06.910 --> 00:02:11.670
Mentoring Program or who I talk to out and about in the wild, whatever it is.
00:02:11.990 --> 00:02:15.490
I talk to people and they're like, yeah, I don't, you know, I love,
00:02:15.490 --> 00:02:19.530
I love doing this work, but I also, right at this moment in my life,
00:02:19.550 --> 00:02:23.710
I don't think I want to be running a practice. I don't want to be doing the
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business components of this.
00:02:24.890 --> 00:02:27.750
I don't know if I have the time or the interest in doing it.
00:02:28.130 --> 00:02:32.290
So I wanted to just address that here. We'll, you know, in another time we can
00:02:32.290 --> 00:02:36.670
talk more about the logistics and what it looks like money-wise and all that
00:02:36.670 --> 00:02:38.210
kind of stuff. For right now, let's just.
00:02:38.776 --> 00:02:42.156
Speak to folks who are in that situation, where you're like,
00:02:42.196 --> 00:02:46.996
wow, okay, I've done all this, and then I'm not sure it's for me.
00:02:47.936 --> 00:02:52.096
And something that I want to say to people is that I think there is a lot of
00:02:52.096 --> 00:02:58.516
beauty and a lot of need for people who are out here doing this work as a profession,
00:02:58.996 --> 00:02:59.976
sustaining themselves.
00:03:00.936 --> 00:03:03.876
You know, making, making things work, figuring it out.
00:03:04.056 --> 00:03:06.456
There are folks who are cut out for this. There are folks who,
00:03:06.576 --> 00:03:09.756
for various reasons, some of them which are in their control and some of which
00:03:09.756 --> 00:03:14.456
are not, are able to do this work and can sustain themselves in this way.
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And it's also completely okay,
00:03:17.796 --> 00:03:22.996
and there's plenty of room in this field for folks who have the training and
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aren't interested in or able to do the full work that's involved in running a,
00:03:29.756 --> 00:03:32.856
you know, self-sustaining clinical practice.
00:03:33.136 --> 00:03:36.676
I feel that that's something people don't get told.
00:03:37.096 --> 00:03:40.516
You don't, they don't hear that. It feels like, oh, I'm kind of a failure because
00:03:40.516 --> 00:03:44.616
I went to school and I wanted to do this, but I can't make it work right now
00:03:44.616 --> 00:03:46.056
or I'm not going to make it work right now.
00:03:46.196 --> 00:03:51.216
I'm not going to do this. Put in this time or the money or the figuring out
00:03:51.216 --> 00:03:53.996
how to do all the bits and pieces that go on behind the scenes.
00:03:54.216 --> 00:03:58.596
I think most people who go through school and training, if they were in a situation
00:03:58.596 --> 00:04:03.636
where the next day they could show up at an office and have five clients booked
00:04:03.636 --> 00:04:05.496
for them and see the clients and then go home.
00:04:05.516 --> 00:04:08.636
And the following day, five clients booked for them, see the clients go home.
00:04:08.756 --> 00:04:13.536
I think most people would be into that, at least part-time or some iteration of that.
00:04:13.616 --> 00:04:16.936
But that is not the way that the world works for most of us in this field.
00:04:17.636 --> 00:04:21.516
And if you are in this situation where, wow, you've done the training,
00:04:21.656 --> 00:04:24.856
you know how to be a clinical herbalist or a clinical nutritionist,
00:04:24.896 --> 00:04:28.676
you think that you are very good at this work, you have a lot to offer the field,
00:04:28.876 --> 00:04:31.796
I just wanted to tell you that.
00:04:32.627 --> 00:04:36.727
You can still be a clinical herbalist or a clinical nutritionist,
00:04:36.827 --> 00:04:42.467
even if you are not doing this work with the intention of supporting yourself doing it.
00:04:42.747 --> 00:04:47.667
There are ways to stay involved in doing this work beyond this.
00:04:47.787 --> 00:04:49.987
So maybe you can volunteer.
00:04:50.267 --> 00:04:52.307
Maybe there's ways that you can set
00:04:52.307 --> 00:04:55.227
this work aside for right now with the option to come back to it later.
00:04:55.227 --> 00:04:59.887
Maybe you are moving into more of a community role where you're doing education,
00:05:00.207 --> 00:05:03.547
you're doing occasional visits if somebody's referred to you,
00:05:03.647 --> 00:05:07.507
but it's not really your primary source of income or even a major source of income for you.
00:05:07.887 --> 00:05:13.067
All of those things, I think, are amazing. We don't all have to do this work in the same way.
00:05:13.167 --> 00:05:16.587
And there's not one way of doing it that's better than the other.
00:05:17.087 --> 00:05:20.267
So I guess I just wanted to put this message out there for people
00:05:20.267 --> 00:05:23.067
who might be feeling like this where you look around and it seems like
00:05:23.067 --> 00:05:25.827
you see lots of people who are successfully doing this work
00:05:25.827 --> 00:05:30.627
as a big part of their finances and their income earning and and whatever else
00:05:30.627 --> 00:05:35.267
and you're feeling like oh wow I must not have done something right or what
00:05:35.267 --> 00:05:41.507
have you and my point here is just like no there's many many many ways that
00:05:41.507 --> 00:05:45.207
you can use your clinical education or choose not to use it for right now.
00:05:45.847 --> 00:05:50.907
Who knows when it might come in handy later on or in other ways that it may
00:05:50.907 --> 00:05:55.207
manifest as ways you can show up for your community and the people that you want to work with.
00:05:55.647 --> 00:05:58.527
So I encourage you to just notice if you have any assumptions,
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any stories that you're telling yourself in your head about what this should
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or should not look like and your.
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Need to fully be supporting yourself doing this.
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Sometimes you'll look around and you'll see the people who are supporting themselves
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have a partner who's paying most of the bills.
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They had a long runway to build this up that a lot of people don't have.
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Sometimes people worked two or three jobs and did that until their clinical
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practice could support them long enough. We don't all have that luxury.
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Sometimes we're having our own health situation. Sometimes we're caregiving, whatever else.
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So there's lots of different reasons that some folks can manage to
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make this work in other folks it's just not realistic and there's
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plenty of people who go back to school do
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this training and then they're like you know what it's not
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for me and that it's still expansive it still grows
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you as a human to have done the training it's still part of you whether you're
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using it right now or not and I think that understanding the way that food and
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herbs and health collide together the way that they weave together and how that
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shows up in yourself and other people. I think that's valuable in and of itself.
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So anyway, just sharing some thoughts on how you might approach it if you find
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yourself in this situation.
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Are there ways that you can power through, that you can get support to make this work? Of course.
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I'm not saying we just say it's hard and give up, but I am saying it's a perfectly
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fine choice for you to take a look with new information and say,
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hey, I'm now becoming more clear on what's involved in this work.
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If I want to do it the way that I had sort of thought I wanted to do it.
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And right now, that's not a choice for me.
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It's okay to make that decision, too. And sometimes we need to re-evaluate,
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and you never know where life's going to take you later.
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So even if it's not the right choice for you right now, maybe it will be later on.
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Okay, so there you go. My point of this podcast is not to be defeatist and to say, give up.
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Hopefully that's not what you heard. But it is to say there's lots of ways to
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show up and do this work and be a practitioner where your training and your
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education and your experience counts.
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It's still important. It's still part of how we heal at a community level,
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one by one, in groups, and so forth. And I'm glad that you did your training.
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I'm glad you're here. whether you choose to do all the work that goes into the
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very, sometimes very slow process of building a sustaining clinical practice,
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or whether you decide right now,
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that's not for me, and I'm going to look at other ways to use this education
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that I have, or set it aside for right now and come back to it later.
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These are all valid choices, and you are still, you're still a clinician,
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you're still a practitioner, you still have your training, no matter what you decide to do.
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Okay, hope that was helpful. Have an amazing day. Thank you so much for the
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work that you do, and I will talk to you really soon.