As I was out on a walk this morning, something I heard on Cal Newport's podcast resonated with me. I'm sharing a small takeaway point regarding over-optimizing and how I think that applies both to our clinical work and to everything that goes on behind the scenes to keep a clinical practice running.
Key Takeaways-
The optimization paradox: over-optimizing a single area can throw the whole system out of balance
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In client work, you don't need to move every health pillar from a 2 to a 10. Moving several from a 2 to a 5 or 7 often produces better outcomes.
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In your practice, "good enough" marketing across multiple channels beats getting one area in tip-top shape.
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This framework is especially useful for solo practitioners without formal business or marketing training as it takes some pressure off and offers multiple ways to improve
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Cal Newport's Deep Questions podcast: Optimization Paradox episode with Brad Stulberg
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Hi there. Welcome to In the Clinic with Camille. My name is Camille Freeman.
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I am the owner of Bloom and Grow, where we offer continuing education and community
00:00:08.487 --> 00:00:11.953
resources for herbalists and nutritionists who are in clinical practice.
00:00:12.678 --> 00:00:17.077
I wanted to share some thoughts with you today that were sparked by a podcast
00:00:17.077 --> 00:00:20.881
I listened to when I was out on my walk with my dog Wade this morning.
00:00:21.409 --> 00:00:25.157
Most days I listen to a podcast when we are out and about doing our sniffing
00:00:25.157 --> 00:00:26.372
and walking and so forth.
00:00:27.098 --> 00:00:30.865
And this morning, I was listening to Cal Newport's Deep Questions podcast.
00:00:31.376 --> 00:00:35.231
If you're not familiar with this podcast, it is about the deep life,
00:00:35.440 --> 00:00:39.817
meaning how do you organize a life such that you are able to do deep work,
00:00:39.817 --> 00:00:41.787
but also to do other things that matter to you.
00:00:41.787 --> 00:00:47.347
So we're trying to think about, you know, how do you carve out time to do the
00:00:47.347 --> 00:00:49.587
kind of work that matters, let go of things that don't matter,
00:00:49.587 --> 00:00:54.267
and, you know, have a good life. So I really appreciate what Cal has to say.
00:00:54.267 --> 00:00:56.224
I often try to listen to his episodes.
00:00:56.959 --> 00:01:01.017
And today he had an interview with somebody named Brad Stolberg,
00:01:01.017 --> 00:01:04.117
who I don't know anything about. It was an interesting interview.
00:01:04.117 --> 00:01:11.227
It was about what they called the optimization paradox, meaning it's possible to over-optimize.
00:01:11.587 --> 00:01:15.204
Like if you track and optimize everything down to the last drop,
00:01:15.453 --> 00:01:18.737
sometimes you're actually not getting the benefit of doing that,
00:01:18.737 --> 00:01:20.329
and it may actually make things worse.
00:01:20.649 --> 00:01:26.384
So overall, worth a listen. I think there's a lot of useful and interesting food for thought.
00:01:26.744 --> 00:01:29.977
But the part that jumped out at me that I wanted to share with you and share
00:01:29.977 --> 00:01:34.757
some reflections about in this interview had to do with Brad,
00:01:34.757 --> 00:01:36.641
the person who was being interviewed on the podcast.
00:01:37.106 --> 00:01:40.207
He interviewed, this is like a complex web here, you don't have to worry about
00:01:40.207 --> 00:01:44.947
all the details, but he interviewed a trainer who works with elite athletes,
00:01:44.947 --> 00:01:48.278
like Olympic quality, world class, that sort of thing.
00:01:48.992 --> 00:01:53.857
And this trainer was talking about how when you're at that level of performance
00:01:53.857 --> 00:01:54.992
and you're trying to say,
00:01:55.818 --> 00:02:01.483
Optimize everything you can the night before or leading up to some major event,
00:02:01.814 --> 00:02:03.904
performance, whatever it is.
00:02:05.011 --> 00:02:08.681
That there are several things that matter. You know, sleep matters the night
00:02:08.681 --> 00:02:10.165
before, the week before.
00:02:10.531 --> 00:02:15.851
What you eat matters. Your specific training regimen in the gym or in the field
00:02:15.851 --> 00:02:17.253
or whatever it is matters.
00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:21.341
Your mindset matters. You're, you know, all the different, there's all these
00:02:21.341 --> 00:02:22.640
different components that matter.
00:02:23.151 --> 00:02:26.001
And what this trainer was saying was that they're all related.
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There's a synergy between the different components.
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And if you just take one component and you slice it out and you say,
00:02:31.911 --> 00:02:34.861
okay, we're going to like completely optimize diet, you know,
00:02:34.861 --> 00:02:38.781
we're going to know every last calorie, we're going to figure out exactly which
00:02:38.781 --> 00:02:40.941
macros go where and blah, blah, blah.
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Blah, if you get that one thing super optimized and really focus in on it,
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the other things suffer.
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Not necessarily because they are going off the deep end, but because synergistically,
00:02:52.801 --> 00:02:56.789
if you pay way more attention to one than the others, it throws the balance off.
00:02:57.377 --> 00:03:00.871
And so this trainer's philosophy was that what you want to do is take all the
00:03:00.871 --> 00:03:06.084
different areas that you think contribute to that person having a really solid performance and.
00:03:06.796 --> 00:03:10.912
And you want to get all of those different components to about a 7 out of 10.
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So you don't need to go every last step of the way. You don't need to go the full mile.
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But you do want to make sure that it's well above average for that person in general.
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And I thought, oh my gosh, I love this idea for a couple of reasons.
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One of the reasons is because I think the same could be true of our individual health.
00:03:31.734 --> 00:03:35.004
So when we're working with our clients, and we, of course, we all have some
00:03:35.004 --> 00:03:38.254
core pillar things that matter to us, they might be slightly different depending
00:03:38.254 --> 00:03:40.954
on your modality and your philosophy and whatever.
00:03:40.954 --> 00:03:44.374
But for example, we all have things where like, okay, we would like for our
00:03:44.374 --> 00:03:46.374
clients to be sleeping well, we would like for them to be.
00:03:47.454 --> 00:03:53.364
Eating nutrient dense, diverse diet, we would like for them to be staying hydrated,
00:03:53.364 --> 00:03:58.964
we would like for them to be having some kind of stress management plan in place, we would like, etc.
00:03:59.371 --> 00:04:02.088
There's some different columns or categories that you might think of.
00:04:02.500 --> 00:04:06.575
I really love the idea that if you just fully focus in on just one,
00:04:06.825 --> 00:04:08.827
it may be to the detriment of the whole.
00:04:09.515 --> 00:04:13.994
And I also really appreciate the idea that none of them have to be perfect in
00:04:13.994 --> 00:04:19.553
order for all of them to work together and make something exceptionally good, great,
00:04:20.075 --> 00:04:24.264
in terms of something, I guess I should say someone, to lead that person to
00:04:24.264 --> 00:04:27.890
feeling better than they ever have, even if each individual thing is only,
00:04:28.476 --> 00:04:30.287
say, 7 out of 10 on average.
00:04:30.873 --> 00:04:34.784
I feel like that takes a lot of pressure off of the person. I think we're all
00:04:34.784 --> 00:04:39.374
trying to be healthy in many ways as well, but also with us as practitioners,
00:04:39.374 --> 00:04:41.845
where we don't necessarily have to take somebody from,
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a 2 out of 10 all the way up to a 10 out of the 10 in every single category.
00:04:46.732 --> 00:04:53.404
We can just move the needle closer to a 5, closer to a 7, in a bunch of different
00:04:53.404 --> 00:04:58.544
ways. And collectively, that synergistically gets us way farther than only moving
00:04:58.544 --> 00:05:00.753
one thing all the way up the chart.
00:05:01.539 --> 00:05:04.194
So I think that's really great. And I love that idea. And I think I might use
00:05:04.194 --> 00:05:08.704
it when talking to clients, especially those who are getting really bogged down.
00:05:08.704 --> 00:05:12.664
For example, in, you know, my sleep has been terrible and this, Y, and Z.
00:05:13.282 --> 00:05:17.264
It's like, oh, okay, well, you know, I think that putting things in perspective
00:05:17.264 --> 00:05:18.408
like this can be really helpful.
00:05:19.044 --> 00:05:24.804
However, I also thought, you know, I think the same concept applies to running
00:05:24.804 --> 00:05:26.004
our clinical practices,
00:05:26.701 --> 00:05:32.144
where if we take, say, marketing, we each probably have several pillars of things
00:05:32.144 --> 00:05:35.544
that happen in our marketing, where maybe it's for you showing up on social
00:05:35.544 --> 00:05:40.488
media or doing your newsletter or giving talks and presentations and.
00:05:41.434 --> 00:05:45.275
Reaching out to people and asking them for follow-up visits or asking them for referrals.
00:05:45.588 --> 00:05:48.454
There's all these different parts of our marketing that we probably have in
00:05:48.454 --> 00:05:51.718
play and i really appreciate the idea that we want to try to,
00:05:52.206 --> 00:05:57.337
get each of those up to something in the range of a seven without trying to
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stress out about all of them not being 10 out of 10 because i think it's so
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easy to be like oh my website,
00:06:03.822 --> 00:06:07.544
you know some of these links are broken and this one picture is old and it doesn't
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exactly say what i want it to say and all this and being like oh it's not perfect,
00:06:11.148 --> 00:06:13.441
but when you think about it through this lens where you're like well,
00:06:14.055 --> 00:06:16.469
you know just trying to get to 7 out of 10 in most areas.
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And then all that together synergistically winds up making a huge difference.
00:06:21.194 --> 00:06:24.184
And I think that is so true in these components of our business.
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So I guess I wanted to just share this in case it helps take some of the pressure
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off of you in your clinical practice as well, to just be like,
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all right, 7 out of 10 is pretty good.
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You know, especially for those of us in solo practice where we don't have a
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lot of support, we're doing the best we can, often with no training in marketing
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or business or anything like that.
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I think aiming for moving towards a 7 out of 10 in most of these categories
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where you're like, okay, I feel like I know what I need to do. I'm mostly doing it.
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I'm doing it pretty well. Maybe not absolutely to the 100% best of my abilities
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every single time, but I'm doing it.
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And I think that if you do that pretty consistently, if you get hover in that
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7 out of 10 average range, maybe some are a little lower, some might be really
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great and a little higher, I think you would be surprised at how far you can come with that.
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Hi there. Welcome to In the Clinic with Camille. My name is Camille Freeman.
00:00:03.667 --> 00:00:08.487
I am the owner of Bloom and Grow, where we offer continuing education and community
00:00:08.487 --> 00:00:11.953
resources for herbalists and nutritionists who are in clinical practice.
00:00:12.678 --> 00:00:17.077
I wanted to share some thoughts with you today that were sparked by a podcast
00:00:17.077 --> 00:00:20.881
I listened to when I was out on my walk with my dog Wade this morning.
00:00:21.409 --> 00:00:25.157
Most days I listen to a podcast when we are out and about doing our sniffing
00:00:25.157 --> 00:00:26.372
and walking and so forth.
00:00:27.098 --> 00:00:30.865
And this morning, I was listening to Cal Newport's Deep Questions podcast.
00:00:31.376 --> 00:00:35.231
If you're not familiar with this podcast, it is about the deep life,
00:00:35.440 --> 00:00:39.817
meaning how do you organize a life such that you are able to do deep work,
00:00:39.817 --> 00:00:41.787
but also to do other things that matter to you.
00:00:41.787 --> 00:00:47.347
So we're trying to think about, you know, how do you carve out time to do the
00:00:47.347 --> 00:00:49.587
kind of work that matters, let go of things that don't matter,
00:00:49.587 --> 00:00:54.267
and, you know, have a good life. So I really appreciate what Cal has to say.
00:00:54.267 --> 00:00:56.224
I often try to listen to his episodes.
00:00:56.959 --> 00:01:01.017
And today he had an interview with somebody named Brad Stolberg,
00:01:01.017 --> 00:01:04.117
who I don't know anything about. It was an interesting interview.
00:01:04.117 --> 00:01:11.227
It was about what they called the optimization paradox, meaning it's possible to over-optimize.
00:01:11.587 --> 00:01:15.204
Like if you track and optimize everything down to the last drop,
00:01:15.453 --> 00:01:18.737
sometimes you're actually not getting the benefit of doing that,
00:01:18.737 --> 00:01:20.329
and it may actually make things worse.
00:01:20.649 --> 00:01:26.384
So overall, worth a listen. I think there's a lot of useful and interesting food for thought.
00:01:26.744 --> 00:01:29.977
But the part that jumped out at me that I wanted to share with you and share
00:01:29.977 --> 00:01:34.757
some reflections about in this interview had to do with Brad,
00:01:34.757 --> 00:01:36.641
the person who was being interviewed on the podcast.
00:01:37.106 --> 00:01:40.207
He interviewed, this is like a complex web here, you don't have to worry about
00:01:40.207 --> 00:01:44.947
all the details, but he interviewed a trainer who works with elite athletes,
00:01:44.947 --> 00:01:48.278
like Olympic quality, world class, that sort of thing.
00:01:48.992 --> 00:01:53.857
And this trainer was talking about how when you're at that level of performance
00:01:53.857 --> 00:01:54.992
and you're trying to say,
00:01:55.818 --> 00:02:01.483
Optimize everything you can the night before or leading up to some major event,
00:02:01.814 --> 00:02:03.904
performance, whatever it is.
00:02:05.011 --> 00:02:08.681
That there are several things that matter. You know, sleep matters the night
00:02:08.681 --> 00:02:10.165
before, the week before.
00:02:10.531 --> 00:02:15.851
What you eat matters. Your specific training regimen in the gym or in the field
00:02:15.851 --> 00:02:17.253
or whatever it is matters.
00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:21.341
Your mindset matters. You're, you know, all the different, there's all these
00:02:21.341 --> 00:02:22.640
different components that matter.
00:02:23.151 --> 00:02:26.001
And what this trainer was saying was that they're all related.
00:02:26.001 --> 00:02:28.277
There's a synergy between the different components.
00:02:28.770 --> 00:02:31.911
And if you just take one component and you slice it out and you say,
00:02:31.911 --> 00:02:34.861
okay, we're going to like completely optimize diet, you know,
00:02:34.861 --> 00:02:38.781
we're going to know every last calorie, we're going to figure out exactly which
00:02:38.781 --> 00:02:40.941
macros go where and blah, blah, blah.
00:02:40.971 --> 00:02:45.396
Blah, if you get that one thing super optimized and really focus in on it,
00:02:45.796 --> 00:02:46.899
the other things suffer.
00:02:47.317 --> 00:02:52.801
Not necessarily because they are going off the deep end, but because synergistically,
00:02:52.801 --> 00:02:56.789
if you pay way more attention to one than the others, it throws the balance off.
00:02:57.377 --> 00:03:00.871
And so this trainer's philosophy was that what you want to do is take all the
00:03:00.871 --> 00:03:06.084
different areas that you think contribute to that person having a really solid performance and.
00:03:06.796 --> 00:03:10.912
And you want to get all of those different components to about a 7 out of 10.
00:03:11.486 --> 00:03:16.165
So you don't need to go every last step of the way. You don't need to go the full mile.
00:03:16.427 --> 00:03:20.891
But you do want to make sure that it's well above average for that person in general.
00:03:21.239 --> 00:03:25.645
And I thought, oh my gosh, I love this idea for a couple of reasons.
00:03:26.225 --> 00:03:31.340
One of the reasons is because I think the same could be true of our individual health.
00:03:31.734 --> 00:03:35.004
So when we're working with our clients, and we, of course, we all have some
00:03:35.004 --> 00:03:38.254
core pillar things that matter to us, they might be slightly different depending
00:03:38.254 --> 00:03:40.954
on your modality and your philosophy and whatever.
00:03:40.954 --> 00:03:44.374
But for example, we all have things where like, okay, we would like for our
00:03:44.374 --> 00:03:46.374
clients to be sleeping well, we would like for them to be.
00:03:47.454 --> 00:03:53.364
Eating nutrient dense, diverse diet, we would like for them to be staying hydrated,
00:03:53.364 --> 00:03:58.964
we would like for them to be having some kind of stress management plan in place, we would like, etc.
00:03:59.371 --> 00:04:02.088
There's some different columns or categories that you might think of.
00:04:02.500 --> 00:04:06.575
I really love the idea that if you just fully focus in on just one,
00:04:06.825 --> 00:04:08.827
it may be to the detriment of the whole.
00:04:09.515 --> 00:04:13.994
And I also really appreciate the idea that none of them have to be perfect in
00:04:13.994 --> 00:04:19.553
order for all of them to work together and make something exceptionally good, great,
00:04:20.075 --> 00:04:24.264
in terms of something, I guess I should say someone, to lead that person to
00:04:24.264 --> 00:04:27.890
feeling better than they ever have, even if each individual thing is only,
00:04:28.476 --> 00:04:30.287
say, 7 out of 10 on average.
00:04:30.873 --> 00:04:34.784
I feel like that takes a lot of pressure off of the person. I think we're all
00:04:34.784 --> 00:04:39.374
trying to be healthy in many ways as well, but also with us as practitioners,
00:04:39.374 --> 00:04:41.845
where we don't necessarily have to take somebody from,
00:04:42.489 --> 00:04:46.297
a 2 out of 10 all the way up to a 10 out of the 10 in every single category.
00:04:46.732 --> 00:04:53.404
We can just move the needle closer to a 5, closer to a 7, in a bunch of different
00:04:53.404 --> 00:04:58.544
ways. And collectively, that synergistically gets us way farther than only moving
00:04:58.544 --> 00:05:00.753
one thing all the way up the chart.
00:05:01.539 --> 00:05:04.194
So I think that's really great. And I love that idea. And I think I might use
00:05:04.194 --> 00:05:08.704
it when talking to clients, especially those who are getting really bogged down.
00:05:08.704 --> 00:05:12.664
For example, in, you know, my sleep has been terrible and this, Y, and Z.
00:05:13.282 --> 00:05:17.264
It's like, oh, okay, well, you know, I think that putting things in perspective
00:05:17.264 --> 00:05:18.408
like this can be really helpful.
00:05:19.044 --> 00:05:24.804
However, I also thought, you know, I think the same concept applies to running
00:05:24.804 --> 00:05:26.004
our clinical practices,
00:05:26.701 --> 00:05:32.144
where if we take, say, marketing, we each probably have several pillars of things
00:05:32.144 --> 00:05:35.544
that happen in our marketing, where maybe it's for you showing up on social
00:05:35.544 --> 00:05:40.488
media or doing your newsletter or giving talks and presentations and.
00:05:41.434 --> 00:05:45.275
Reaching out to people and asking them for follow-up visits or asking them for referrals.
00:05:45.588 --> 00:05:48.454
There's all these different parts of our marketing that we probably have in
00:05:48.454 --> 00:05:51.718
play and i really appreciate the idea that we want to try to,
00:05:52.206 --> 00:05:57.337
get each of those up to something in the range of a seven without trying to
00:05:57.645 --> 00:06:01.464
stress out about all of them not being 10 out of 10 because i think it's so
00:06:01.464 --> 00:06:03.212
easy to be like oh my website,
00:06:03.822 --> 00:06:07.544
you know some of these links are broken and this one picture is old and it doesn't
00:06:07.544 --> 00:06:10.666
exactly say what i want it to say and all this and being like oh it's not perfect,
00:06:11.148 --> 00:06:13.441
but when you think about it through this lens where you're like well,
00:06:14.055 --> 00:06:16.469
you know just trying to get to 7 out of 10 in most areas.
00:06:16.469 --> 00:06:21.194
And then all that together synergistically winds up making a huge difference.
00:06:21.194 --> 00:06:24.184
And I think that is so true in these components of our business.
00:06:24.184 --> 00:06:27.974
So I guess I wanted to just share this in case it helps take some of the pressure
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off of you in your clinical practice as well, to just be like,
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all right, 7 out of 10 is pretty good.
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You know, especially for those of us in solo practice where we don't have a
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lot of support, we're doing the best we can, often with no training in marketing
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or business or anything like that.
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I think aiming for moving towards a 7 out of 10 in most of these categories
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where you're like, okay, I feel like I know what I need to do. I'm mostly doing it.
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I'm doing it pretty well. Maybe not absolutely to the 100% best of my abilities
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every single time, but I'm doing it.
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And I think that if you do that pretty consistently, if you get hover in that
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7 out of 10 average range, maybe some are a little lower, some might be really
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great and a little higher, I think you would be surprised at how far you can come with that.
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much for the work that you do.